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But I think you're in my seat. You gotta go. My friend, Dr. Smiles. Good to see you, sir. Good seeing you. So welcome back to Talking Tennessee with David and Tavi. Yes, sir. I'm blessed to be here today with my friend, Dr. Tavi Smiles from the University of Tennessee. How are you doing today, Doc?

SPEAKER_01 1:18

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Glad to be here with you, as always. Good to sit down with a good friend, somebody that I respect for what you do, what you've done, and what you continue to attempt to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Absolutely. At my alma mater and in this community. Before we move on, let me just say thank you and thank you and your family for what you do for our community, not just UT, but as I think about people who are really making a difference and making an impact, you are doing it in so many areas. And I I think it's it's it's a roadmap, I think, for other folks who really want to be entrepreneurial entrepreneurs, be business leaders, but also not forget about how to give back to the community. So thank you all for what y'all do.

Surviving Illness And Finding Purpose

SPEAKER_03 2:02

Uh we appreciate the recognition, but we do what we do because we're called to do it. I think everybody has a little bit of a calling in them. And uh You know what? I'm gonna get into this. Do you know why we do what we do when it started?

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Nope, I don't.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Um we were active in church and and you know, we did things from the people asked us to and whatnot, but we did not make it a priority. We didn't make it a a a focal point of our lives. And in 2013, I got sick. And I had a 9% chance of survival. I was in the hospital for six months, paying Christmas went back. Um but during that time, my wife never left the hospital, and she took it upon herself through her prayer and and from conversations she had with God to go and start praying for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

Everybody was in ICU. She went from bed to bed. They they in the ICU, I didn't know this. She told me this after in ICU, they label you bed one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. I was bed seven. But she would go, I don't know, she started bed one, whatever, but she would go from room to room, bed to bed, and pray for the people that were in there. People that had family there, people that didn't have family there. She just went and prayed for everybody. Wow, that's powerful. And then beyond that, you know, I got 40 units of blood. You've heard about the blood drive. They started a blood drive while I was there, and while I was actually still in the hospital. And when we got out, you know, you mock was like, I was so moved when I looked up on those buses and I saw everybody coming together and donating. Some of them didn't even know you, some of them knew you and just wanted to know how they could help. And she, you know, she looked at it and she said, There's power in this. Not power that I need for myself, but power for this community. And beyond that, and this was a conversation this past weekend in our house, um, you know, she would say it, my former employer would say it to me. A lot of people would say, God left you here for a reason. Right. Um, why are you still here? What do you think your purpose is? Why do you think God left you here? Because my wife and my God save me. I know that. But to think about, hey, why are you still here? It kind of just was a springboard for me to actually get moving and get active. And for our family, we kind of all fell in line, staying equally yoked. And we kind of use it as a springboard to move into doing for, and what I said was do for something, do things for something and for some people that are outside of your four walls, right? Outside of your direct circle to be proactive in their lives, to be proactive in the community, to where you're making a difference for things that don't impact your own household, your own circle.

The Myth Of A Single Turning Point

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Yeah, my pastor used to always say, you know, your true test is when you can do something for somebody who can't do something for you back. Absolutely. Right. They, you know, they so you you have such a powerful story. Um, your family has such a powerful story. And I first thing I took from that is out of your, out of your trauma and tragedy, you know, came something that can help other people. So even in our kind of deepest, darkest moments, you know, what comes out of that is, hey, I can I can still help others, or even though it's affecting me, when I get the help, it's gonna, it's gonna reverberate past me. But the other thing that I heard from this is this idea of purpose and and pivot, right? So talk about coming on the other side of that, because I know sometimes brothers, when we you know how we get, right? You know, we come back, we gotta show that we're still Superman and we're still strong and that we can still handle this. And this was a pivot moment of your life, right? So how did you, or how would you talk to other brothers, brothers from any what wherever that pivot is, whether it was health or loss of job or or anything in between, what was that like for you?

What Manhood Really Means

SPEAKER_03 6:24

Well, first off, I think there's a fallacy in that. Not not personally with you, but uh there's a fallacy in thinking that there has to be, as a man, that there has to be a moment. Right. Uh a hallelujah chorus moment, you know, to where, oh, today's the day I have to do something. Today's the day I have to take change. Today's the day I have to start making a difference. We as men need to realize that every day you make a decision. It doesn't have to be monumental, it doesn't have to be life-changing and life-altering, but every day we make a difference. And every day we need to A, look to make a difference, but B, we also look to be honest with ourselves. What do I truly need? Beyond material things, beyond sustenance, what do I actually need for myself? A lot of men won't be honest with themselves. Right. They they won't be honest that they're at that point. They won't be honest that they can do something other than have a job, have a wife, kids, whatever, happen, be in the streets, be, you know, make money, whatever. A lot of men won't be honest with themselves to say, hey, I can do something, I can be great personally, I can do great things in this community, and I can actually do something and be something meaningful.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

So as I think about, man, I was so many, so many nuggets to unpack. But the f the first thing is society has, you you you drew a box over there. Many of y'all, y'all of course can't say it, but you drew a box, right? And most of the times men are put in this box, right? And society, um, religion, I mean you name it, has told us this is what we're supposed to do and be, right? And many of the things that you talked about sometimes will fall outside of that box. Like, hey, I need to seek support, I need help, I need a mentor, um, I'm struggling here. And so as we as as you as you talk about kind of some of the things that that men could and should, I mean, we have to start to unpack this from a very, very macro level to really to think about, first of all, how society has positioned what man, manhood, who men are and what they should be, how they should how they should act, right? Because I think that's the first thing.

SPEAKER_03 8:52

Absolutely. And I get this question from people that think I have my stuff together. Right. And I say think I have my stuff together, because I don't know about you, but I struggle every day.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

Every day.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

But but they say, oh, you're the man, you're the man. How can I be like you? What is it what do you do to to to to to be in the position you're in? I struggle. Yeah. I struggle. And by the grace of God. There. Wow. But but people and people in general, they look at other people and say, oh, if I can be like that, then I've then I can call myself a man. Oh, if if I can have this job, if I can, if I can wear these clothes, if I can drive this car, you know, if I can live in this town, in this suburb, in this subdivision, whatever, in this, in this building, whatever, then then then I will arrive, then I can call myself a man. If I can take care of everything, if I can whoop somebody, then I'm a man. And and I don't I don't know that that through accomplishments, right, we can judge manhood. I don't think that that we can judge it. I think that that true manhood is being being able to admit that I'm not here by myself, I can't do this by myself, and I think that true manhood is embracing all the things around you that can help you every day, all the things around you that that pour into you and that feeds you every day. And and, you know, kind of shape you every day. Right. Embracing all that, the good and the bad. So how do you perceive what shapes you into a man and where you actually, other than anatomy, call yourself a man?

Bridging The OG And YN Gap

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah, well, you know, one of the you know, people often say, you know, you see my glory, but you don't know my story, right? So people see this David, right? They don't see the David that was laying in the hospital bed, right? Right. And so for for half a year. Let that sink in for a minute, right? And so, you know, people often see the finished product, but they don't see the sharpening piece of it, right? And so I think that's one of the things. I think men, we have to be more vulnerable about sharing it all, right? How I got here, what things I had to go through, because particularly as older men now and that next generation that's coming behind us, I think it's important for us to really be honest about our story, right? The time that you see today, that you you rewind, you know, 20 years, and it was a different person. And being honest about that, because they they have something that we didn't have. They have social media, right? And and and later on they had something else that we didn't have, which is COVID. So as I think about kind of this generation coming through this whole social media era and what that has done mentally and emotionally and spiritually, but I also then think then they had this big old thing that for maybe some adults was a flashpoint, but for them, it was such a big, meaningful um incident that I think we haven't paid enough attention to as we start to think about this next generation, particularly as I think about the young men in our communities.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

I and I think I heard this somewhere, and I for lack of a better term, OGs and YNs. Okay. And that might that might make somebody a little sandoff to hear that, but it is what it is. And somebody said, Why are these young folks out there, these quote unquote YNs, why are they not matriculating into OGs?

SPEAKER_04 12:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

And one thing I've learned at this stage in my life, I had my dad when I lived with my dad and when my dad was here. My dad moved away to Florida, and you know, we got busy, and he wasn't necessarily the person that I would always turn to. He's a great person, smart, wise, whatever. But I had my first employer, black man. Then I had Yamaka's granddaddy and my second employer. Then I had Yavonka's granddaddy and Yovanka's dad and my bishop. And I didn't realize it, but those were even my dad, they were older, wiser forces in my life. And those people were were confident in enough in themselves and secure enough in themselves to pour into me, whether or not I realized they were pouring into me. They were absolutely pouring into me. And there's a disconnect, I think, between the quote unquote the unks of the OGs and the YNs, the young people. And I I and I've heard this from several people in our community, that that they wholeheartedly across the board did not do a good job of pouring in the next generation. And we lack doing that as well. And you're around it more because you're around these young people more so than I am. Um do you see that disconnect? Do you feel that disconnect? And how do we bridge the gap to of that disconnect?

SPEAKER_01 14:05

You know, David, I I see it and I feel it. Um, particularly in the work that I do working with young folks. The interesting thing is I get older every year, and every year they stay the same age, right? 18 to 20, 21, 22 years old. Right. And and and I do think there's a disconnect, and I think we have to be proactive, those of us who are OGs, about bri building bridges, right? I think sometimes we're waiting on the next generation to do that, but I think part of our responsibility is to make sure that we can build the bridge back to the next generation. Because if we want to exist in 50, 60, 70 years, if we don't start building bridges now, it won't happen. And I do think that we often, you know, many times they we often think, well, people have to go through what I went through, right? Because I went through this, then you have to go through this. And I think sometimes it's it's understanding this generation and where they are and how they process and how they think through things. And if we can take the time to do that, I people often give this generation a hard time. I love this generation. They are smart, they are creative, they're innovative, they're entrepreneurial, they want to help others. We just gotta figure out a way in which to do that, help build bridges so that they can do that and still be true to who they are. Because I do think that, you know, people often say, well, they're the next generation. No, they're they're the generation now, right? When you think about major movements in our country, right, those didn't happen with people who had gray hair like me and you, right? They were young folks, right? When people think about Martin Luther King, you know he never lived to the age of 40. He never made it to 40, right? So all of that happened before he was 40, right? He was 39 when he was when he was killed, murdered, assassinated. Right? So I do think that we have to use the tools that we've been given to pave the pathway a little, like make it just a little bit easier for the next generation to move farther than what we moved. And I do think that that, David, that comes with, brother, to be honest with you, Jet, you know, stepping out of self and stepping out of ego and realizing that this is bigger than you and I, right? This is much bigger than you and I.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

I'm guilty. And that ego word, so that ego word in and of itself is a mouthful. Um, that gets in the way of a lot of things that we as men need to realize and need to let go of the ego and allow ourselves to realize a lot of these things. Um, I'm guilty of not reaching back. I'm guilty of saying, y'all don't know what you're doing, you you know, you can't speak on this because we've got the experience you don't generally generationally. Right. Um, so I I I'm guilty of that. Um I see the problem. I try not to be, but it's very easy for us to fall into those roles. A lot of it, I think, may have to do with we heard it from a lot of those other folks. You know, we had something that poured it poured into us, but at the same time, in general, you you you hear about it. You know, you hear about uh you guys don't know what you're talking about. You know, you guys didn't fight in Vietnam, you guys didn't, you know, you know, you didn't build this country, you know, you weren't part of the industrial boom, whatever.

Ego And Letting Mentees Shine

SPEAKER_01 17:19

So I had a mentor here once, and he was talking about this idea of the next generation. He said, everything is all good until the mentee starts outshining the mentor. And I think when you when you talk about ego, that was one of the things that that that I'm uh that came into mind is that we're good as long as they're at our feet learning from us. You know, we are the wise sage and we're pouring in. But as soon as we get to the point where they start outshining us, then that that's when there's this tension, right? And I do think that for communities to grow, um, and I'm okay with the tension, right? I mean, if you think about every movement, you know, there was always people on either end of it. So I'm okay with that tension because that's when we talk about iron sharpen, it's iron, right? Right. That's what gets us to a better decision because you got you on one side and I'm on the other side, and when we get together and have this tension in the middle, that's where we come up to the best decision. So I'm okay with that. But really thinking about when it's our time, there's sometimes that we need to shine, right? And there's sometimes where we need to do the shining, right? Where we step back and go, next generation, it is yours. And there's a role for all of us. You know, um, colleague and I were talking about this a minute ago. Um when it we talked about the civil rights movement, she said, you know, there are people who could play, pay, or pray, right? There was space for everybody. So when you think about when folks got arrested, you know, so the business person who owned the funeral home or who owned uh the insurance company, right, they may never have been out there on the front lines marching, but when they got arrested and needed bail, right, they were coming in there, get getting them bailed out. Like that was their that was their part of the movement, right? Somebody had to, you know, they had to eat, right? And so many restaurants wouldn't serve them, right? So, you know, these, you know, not to be gendered, but you know, a lot of the the moms and the grandmoms, you know, they would they would be out there having food and making dinner to make sure that they had sustenance to continue moving on the fight, right? And so there's a there's a space and place for all of us. We just gotta be comfortable that there are reasons, seasons, and lifetimes, right? So sometimes I'm here, right, doing this, and then other times I shift to another role, and then I shift to another role. And we have to be okay with that. Um, because I do think the next generation is powerful. And with their ingenuity and and and all the things that they have access to, David, if we if if if we empower them and support them, I think um uh we we're gonna be on a really good trajectory.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Like I said, I'm guilty of not reaching back, but I'm also guilty of, and my wife will ask me this, who do who do you allow yourself to be top by? Talking about me personally. Who does David allow himself to be top by? And I think and and I have to think about that, and and when she says it to me, I gotta stop. And I may not admit it to her, but I admit it to myself. But we have to be able to allow ourselves to be taught by some of these younger folks. Um you seem to be very comfortable in that. And a lot of that I think has to do with what you do for a living. Right. And the kids you work with on a regular basis. Right. Younger people you that you work with on a regular basis. How do how would you recommend that more men embrace that and and move to a move to a a a state where they allow themselves to be taught and allow themselves to open up to new and different.

How To Mentor By Showing Up

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Um because I think we all have stuff here that we need to deal with. A lot of it. Um and once we get to the point we can deal with all of this stuff, because our experiences color how we approach life, right? And we approach difficulties and situations and this, you know, I grew up without without a father in the household, right? Uh you know, for for decades, uh upwards of 30, right? And so having people in our lives who can fill in the gap and pour into the next generation is important. But how do you do that, right? People think it's rocket science, but it is just being there. It's just showing up, it's listening, it's listening to understand, right? And when there are opportunities for us to impart our knowledge, our wisdom, our experiences, we do that. I don't I'm not as I'm not afraid of this generation because I understand that at some point I will leave this earth, and at some point somebody else will have to carry on, you know, whatever. Legacies we won't carry it on. And so put yourself in space in place where you can engage with the young people, right? Whether that's through your church or whether that's through Big Brothers, Big Sisters, or Boys or Girls Club, whatever that is, find an opportunity to share, right, who you are and your experiences. One of the things, you know, I've heard this said too, is that, you know, you know, you've been, you know, I've been your age, you have been mine when I talk to young people, right? And so I know that I know, you know, maybe some of the things you may be facing, although it might be different. So let me use parallels. And talking to them and with them and not at them. Like we just, we talk about men, we want to, hey, you gotta do this, boy, you gotta, this is what you gotta do, instead of just listening. And that and that's gonna, that, but that, David, that that has to change the whole mindset of what a lot of men think men are supposed to do and be and how we're supposed to show up, right? Deep friendships are important, man. So to have brothers to sit down and just say, you know what, brother, I understand, to be able to, a place where you can be vulnerable, right? We can say, man, I and when young people ask, you know, sometimes they ask stuff I'm like, I just don't know the answer. But, you know, to show that I'm human and we're human, right? And I think that's, you know, that's part of it because we could talk about the young people, right? Those, you know, teens and late early 20s. Um, but we also gotta think about this is how we support each other's brothers as friends, right? That's right. I can just sit down, like, Dave, you've been in the game a whole lot longer than I have about in some things where I can just say, sit down and just go, hey brother, let's help help me here. I'm struggling. I need to talk, right? That's what we we take, we take the humanity out of manhood sometimes, right? With humanity, right? And I think sometimes we take that out. And when you are vulnerable, right? When you are authentic, I think people see that in you and I as brothers, we can build relationships and then we can then go out to the next generation and help porn to them, and then hopefully they'll take to the one the generation behind them and pourn to them. So I think that's as I think about who we are and and what we need to do to uplift community, that's what that's what I'm thinking, David.

Therapy And The Stigma For Men

SPEAKER_03 24:16

I know I have friends. I have associates, I have friends, and I know which associates and which friends I can go to and speak with about the heavy stuff. Right. About stuff that's not just talking about sports, not just talking about remember when, you know, and you know, whatever it might be. But I think that more men need to be honest about leaning on those people, because yes, you can go and tie to them, but but I don't think that enough men, and and I'm guilty of it too, will actually go to those people that they can tie to. And if they don't have that that per those people in in their peer groups or uh among their associates, I don't think enough men are honest with themselves about having to needing about the need to go out and find somebody specifically to help you carry this unload to and to help help carry the burden.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Including therapy.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Yeah, therapy is huge. Therapy is huge. I'll admit I've gone to therapy. Do I have I done it enough? No, I don't know what I can continue to work on myself. Are the things that I I that I would like to actually go to therapy and unpack? Yeah, haven't got around to it, haven't made a priority, but it's there. And I wish that a society would not frown, whether it's spoken or unspoken, frown and place stigma on men seeking therapy and working on themselves and realizing that they can't carry all these burdens and whatever's going on inside of them by themselves. And especially black men. It's not just black men because men in general are stigmatized when that gets out. But especially among the black community, it's just one of those things we don't talk about.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Yeah, you know, what what one of the things that broke my heart? Um, I was I was talking to this young man, and I thought I had built a relationship and a rapport with him. Me and this other brother that I know um were disciplined, I don't want to say names, so I don't want to, you know, out anybody, but we were discipling this young man, just trying to be mentors and role models, didn't have a father figure in his life. And we could see that something was going on. So I'm sitting down and I said, say, listen, I just I gave him a hug and I'm like, wait a minute, it didn't feel right. So I'm like, sit down, and we just started talking. And one of the things he said to me is, I'm used to suffering by myself. And we're talking because, but but guess what, David? The very things that were causing him to suffer, me and the other brother who was working with them had it in our hands. And I'm and I was I was hurt and I was angry. I'm like, but listen, you know us, like we're family. Like, come on, like you need this, you're suffering here, and we can get this to you in a day and a half, right? The things that he needed. And so, and it wasn't about money or material things, but it was about the connections and the resource and the access that he needed. So they didn't have to suffer.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

The ask is uncomfortable. Well, he was just so The ask is uncomfortable. And the fear of the reaction that you get when you ask or when you speak up. The fear, whether or not that fear is true and it's it's factual, you know, the the consequences are factual, the fear is still there.

Social Media Pressure On Young Men

SPEAKER_01 27:42

That's exactly what he said. Even though we have built this relationship, I thought we were connected. And you still, I'm like, you don't have to be embarrassed around us. Yeah, I was I so so there is more that we need to do continually in that in that space to uh particularly as as this next generation, because again, what I said earlier is that they're facing things that we we uh we had no idea about. And I'm glad that there was no social media around when we were growing, well at least when I was growing up. Right?

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Yeah, no, he that that's huge. It puts it puts pressure on them as far as unrealistic expectations, it puts pressure on them as far as opinions of people that don't matter, shouldn't matter, you know, from across the world or or from you know what whatever far reaches uh of social media and and they have to deal with that. And that's something we did not have to deal with. But I I think and and do I talk about it enough? No. Do I do I put myself in spaces where where I can talk about it where it's meaningful to talk about? No. Um so I can do better in that regard. But I think as a whole, we have got to continue that conversation in other rooms and other spaces, um, so that we can actually, you know, let these young folks know. Let not even young folks, let other men know. Hey, it's okay. Um, and I don't, that's not I don't I don't think I'm a person necessarily to blow that trumpet, but I need to be part of the conversation. I need to be do better.

Building Safe Spaces For Honesty

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Absolutely. You know, somebody told me once they said, uh, if you have a problem with me, call me. If you don't have my number, then you don't know me well enough to have a problem with me. And so I think sometimes we we think of we take other people's opinions through social media and what people say, and what was it saying, you know, why would you take criticism from someone you wouldn't take advice from? Right? And so, but that's the the the the the plus 40 time be thinking. The 17, 18, 19, 20, 21-year-old, they're not thinking like that. They're thinking, you know, this was because they do but regardless of what they tell you, they they are pretty big impacts, and so they take these things personally and it hits to the core, and I think sometimes they don't understand what social media reality from reality reality. And I think that's part of the conversations as we think about helping the next next generation. Because there is a level of peer pressure, there's a level of of bullying, there's a level of all of this stuff that happens through social media that we don't see that this next generation of young we often talk, we often frame it through the I uh the frame of young women, and that's absolutely important, but also but we never really talk about how this, you know, how do young men, you know, bo young boys, you know, process these same things, and then how does that show up and how they behave, what they do, how they engage. So I do think it's it's it's it's not something that we're gonna fix today, but you know, Tennessee family, I I hope it's something that we can start to have the conversation and conversation about because I think our entire society needs to talk. But I but right now um my heart is with young men, young black men who are just trying to find a way. They're just trying to find their way. They're trying to find a way and how we need to rally behind them. Let's not demonize them, right? You know, let's support them. Let's, let's, let's hear them. Let's feel them. You know, they often say, you know, you feel me? You know, let's feel them. And I think, you know, while it may come across as uh this colloquialism, I do think they're really asking to be felt, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:24

To be heard. To be heard, right? Absolutely. And and I think that they struggle, men, young people, whatever, struggle to talk about what's bothering them because nobody feels like that door's open. Nobody feels like that avenue is there. So instead of communicating, they just shut down. And they're worried about safety, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:45

They want a safe place, right? They want to know that if I go talk to you, then this is gonna be something that between me and you, and you're not gonna tell everybody else. That's important for this generation because, you know, if you think about it, uh because they have so much access to information, right, which social media and all those things, I think sometimes they just they they want to know that this won't come back, you know, to haunt them, to embarrass them. And so I do think that's it.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

And all that information from social media, that's whether it's good, bad, indifferent, whatever, all that is going into them. That's all being poured into them. But social media really isn't an outlet to push that back out, right? To to process and to deal with it. So you got all this added extra pressure and all these things going on from social media, and we need to open up the avenues for other men, young people, to talk about that and get that in, get those feelings and those thoughts out because, you know, we don't cry as men. We we don't we're not real with each other on a regular basis, and we don't create safe space. And that's part of, you know, we'd rather sit there and and talk about each other's mommy and make jokes and we it's easier to do that than to be real. It's easier to do that and talk about the balls or whatever than than to be real. And we've got to do a better job of coming together, creating these spaces, and being vocal about hey, these spaces are there. And we are going to make it a safe space. And your your business is gonna be safe. You know, we're just gonna have a conversation.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Thank you all for listening to part one of my conversation with David Landis. And uh make sure that you stay tuned next week for part two. This has been a great opportunity to really dig into what manhood, brotherhood, friendship, all that is from a male's perspective. And so I need y'all to tune in.

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